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It’s been 13 years since Bob Odenkirk first stepped into the shoes of Saul Goodman (aka Sleepin’ Jimmy McGill). Breaking Badthe second season of Few could have predicted that the actor would not only become a mainstay of the famous crime saga, but also get his own spin-off. Better call Saul – reprising the role for six full seasons and garnering accolades that put it alongside its sibling series in the pantheon of all-time great shows. Tells the story of Saul both before and after the events Breaking Badthe series has given incredible emotional depth to its central character, and Rhea Seehorn’s Kim Wexler, whose fate has always hung in the balance by never appearing. Breaking Bad.

This year, Odenkirk dumped Saul once and for all in the Season 6 finale, and while he’s already filming a new series. Straight Man:, he’s still developing the character he’s played for more than a decade. “I wanted more time to dive, and I’m going to dive for the next ten years or so,” he says. empire in the new issue – looking back Saul‘s final season and talking with Odenkirk, Seehorn, showrunner Peter Gould and creator Vince Gilligan. “I know it was probably the role of my life and it’s a wonderful thing to have had. Some people don’t get it. I’ll ruin the rest of my life.”

Matching the overall tone Better call Saul, the show’s finale hit the emotional high without indulging in the kind of pyrotechnics that finales often detonate. “I wouldn’t have predicted it,” Odenkirk admits of where the show ended up SPOILER ALERT! Saul (or Jimmy) in prison and a glimmer of a reunion with Kim. “I would predict an ending with more explosions. I’m so glad there wasn’t. And yet, what’s weird to me is that it really came from loosening your grip on the characters. One of the problems I had, and Rhea had too, was that the characters were very emotionally intelligent with almost everyone they interacted with, and yet had these blind spots about their behavior. And in the end, the writers gave these characters the self-awareness I felt they always had. I thought it was cute. When I read it, I said: “Yes, that’s how it should be.”

The final sequence resonated with Seehorn as well. “For Kim to leave Jimmy in a place that feels so punishing, so isolated, so scary and sad, it was really, really hard,” she says, referring to the closing prison scene. “I didn’t realize how Bob-as-Jimmy would look at me, and it was so fascinating. For me, it was more because he informed himself. “I’m fine, the best of me you’ve ever seen, alive and well,” I think she’s trying to let him know. “I can see it.” She still loves him. I’ve always felt that was key. The whole series, these two people had all the different masks they wore in the world, and they really felt seen. That’s what that last moment felt like for me.” Consider landing well and truly stuck.

Read on empirethe full possibility of at the end Better call Saul50 Greatest Actors Edition, packed with all-new interviews with its stars and creators; goes on sale Thursday 22nd December and is available to pre-order online here .

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